I accept the fact that you proved this man to be false. Now prove that what he wrote as being from the health care bill to be false.

I wrote this at the Fleckman’s website but he blocked me. He is dictatorial and frankly an idiot.

So say you. I find it disturbing that you don’t address Dr. Emmanuel’s
recommendations that *”…services provided to individuals who are
irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not
basic and should not be guaranteed.”* Which has nothing to do with pandemics
or public emergencies.

Your quote here is not in the Lancet article (Lancet 2009: 373 423-31) Additionally pandemic influenza is mentioned in both the first and last paragraph of the article and the article is about allocating scarce medical interventions and how best to ethically do it.

Equally disturbing is your inattention to his examples of who should and
should not be guaranteed – “*An obvious example is not guaranteeing health
services to patients with dementia.*”

Nowhere in the article is dementia mentioned. A lie.

It’s clear that you in fact have never read the Lancet article of 2009 which
makes no reference to being for pandemics and Katrina.

It does make reference to pandemic flu unless I am blind and Katrina is my example of a public health emergency in which applying scarce medical interventions may be useful.

Shhh, maybe that’s why he calls it a COMPLETE life system. But we only have
to go to Dr. Emmanuel’s exact quotes to understand:

*”Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying
the youngest-first principle by prioritizing adolescents and young adults
over infants. Adolescents have received substantial education and parental
care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by
contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence
brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing
long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life.”*

This quote is in the article and it does make sense. Yes, it does in a pandemic.

Fantastic huh? Certain people matter less according to the good Dr.
Emmanuel.

Yes, in an emergency. For a military guy you don’t understand much. What do you think they do in hospitals on the battlefield when they are overwhelmed. There are only so many doctors.

*”When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on
which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most
substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that
are attenuated.”*

Again, it makes sense in an emergency.

Isn’t that just grand?!!! The good Dr. sees fit to say that children ages 14
and below and Adults ages 41 and above just shouldn’t get the same attention
and treatment as the 15 to 40 group.

Aren’t you proud of the good Dr.’s Jewishness and his “ethics”. LMAO!!!

How dare you accuse Obama or Dr. Emanuel of eugenics. Do you know any history like for example that blacks were considered inferior by the whites in this country and treated like second class citizens in health care. They were given syphilis by medical doctors (tuskegee experiment). In fact, medical experiments were performed on them in the 18th and 19th centuries. Blacks were considered less worthy of life by the eugenicists who were white and generally of the upper classes. Jews were treated the same way. In fact, eugenics became popular in America in the early 20th century and Adolf Hitler was influenced by the eugenics movement in America. Saying a black man or a Jew wants to practice eugenics or euthanasia on old people in America is absurd.

As for plans – Please go take a look at the massive success of Safeway’s
Health Care plan. We’re they’ve reduced costs for both employer and employee
and increased the well being of individuals. Just google – Safeway WSJ to
read all about it.

I commend this plan but it isn’t enough. The coalition to advance health reform which is pushing it has a membership consisting of over ten healthcare and pharmaceutical companies. I suspect they support the Safeway plan because it doesn’t threaten the status quo and may even benefit them monetarily

Take a look at the plan that the Republicans have proposed, or how about the
plans and suggestions of other conservatives who believe in life, liberty,
the pursuit of happiness AND limited government.

What plans? Have they been CBO scored? I doubt it. Rep. Blount in mid July said the Republicans wouldn’t be putting forth a plan.

Oh wait, you don’t want to talk about that. In fact Obama recently spoke for
you when he told people he doesn’t want them to talk, just get out of the
way.

No, we just don’t want obstructionists like yourself to keep lying about his plan.

You sir are a Deceiver, a Distractor, and a Distorter (the Three Ds).
You’re ignorant as it’s obvious you don’t have a clue what you are talking
about.

Psychologically, you are projecting yourself onto me. Deceiver, Distractor and Distorter is what you are spreading your lies all over the internet. I actually have experience in the healthcare field.

You sir are a fascist and little better than the patient with dementia that
the good Dr. Emmanuel suggests should be denied treatment.

One, you don’t know what a fascist is obviously and the second part of your comment is based on a statement Dr. Emmanuel didn’t make in the article. Fascists love the romance of violence, they love the corporate state-a state run by corporations. They believed the germanic (white) race was higher than all others. Sounds like the republican party!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps the good Dr. is right – maybe people like you should be denied
services, after all idiots like you are becoming a Pandemic.

The only pandemic is right wing jackasses like you who are showing up at town halls and making known what troglodytes they are. If anything, you should be denied services. If you ever apply for Medicare or Social Security, you are a hypocrite.